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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 18, 2013 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH- upgrade to Fox Theatre '72 recording

http://archive.org/details/gd1972-10-18.sbd.matera.123571.sbeok.flac16

The entire October '72 St. Louis run was exquisite, and I realize that's redundant.

I love this review of the 17th from a year ago- it says it all for me:

Reviewer: ststephen49 - 5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars - October 17, 2012

Subject: The 40th anniversary...
Hey now folks, this isn't a review; there's plenty of that to go around for this show and all others. Instead, just an acknowledgement of the joy and excitement of seeing the band at this stage of their lives, and mine. The Fox was called the best house in the U.S. by Jerry, along with rumors around this time the Dead were considering buying the Fox for their Midwest home away from home. The show was a high time, the crowd knew what to do, and the venue is acoustically perfect. I was 5th row Jerry and truly embrace this 3-day experience at the Fabuloue Fox. The world changed that night...

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Poster: scotch_glass Date: Oct 18, 2013 4:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- upgrade to Fox Theatre '72 recording

Starting this up for tonight as we speak! LOVE this Dark Star, it contains the first Philo Stomp in a Dark Star (I think) into a Feelin Groovy Jam. Great show, great run, great tour, great year!!!!! Enjoy this one, I know I will.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Oct 18, 2013 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- upgrade to Fox Theatre '72 recording

Almost embarrassed to admit that I don't know this run....
That will soon be remedied
thanks

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 18, 2013 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- upgrade to Fox Theatre '72 recording

Hey, so much late '72 Dead, so little time. What's a guy to do?
I've been enamored with the 18th for about 15 years, have always kinda liked the 17th, but until last year didn't even know there was a 19th!
Think about checking out the The Other One (or the whole show1) tomorrow. Here's what the reviewer I quoted above (from last year, about the 17th) said in 2008 about the 19th:

Reviewer: ststephen49 - 5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars - April 23, 2008
Subject: Nothing like the Fox...
I was lucky enough to live in the area and the Fox run of shows was dazzling. Rumors at the time had the Dead considering purchasing this grand old theatre for their Midwest outpost. This show had an energy that just quite doesn't translate, in spite of all of the good words written about it here. The band was on the whole 3 nights, feeling so comfortable and settled in this beautiful space with the lineup I consider the best I'd seen in my time and the crowd was primed. The music was transformational live and in person, especially from 5th row Jerry, although that's just where my body was. Kieth was really on, and as the new guy was adding texture and layers that meshed soooo well with Jerry, Phil & Bobby. Bill was ever-present, moving it all along with amazing rolls & fills, all really tight. The crowd was really high on the music, the acoustics, each other, about 4500 heads all getting off together...you all know what I mean. Jack Straw, Sugaree, China>Rider, Bird Song, The Other One...By the time we hit NFA>GDTRFB>NFA we were at a fever pitch, riding the Bus to the Gates of Heaven to the Paradise that lay in front of us. But really I was immersed in the whole show, 1st song to last, not an off note to my sunshined mind. I'm was blessed to have seen the band at this time, and doubly blessed to have seen these Fox shows.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Oct 18, 2013 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- upgrade to Fox Theatre '72 recording

This show is also remarkable because Bob's guitar is rather high the mix. A great show and especially if you love Bob's playing or want to find out what he's all about.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Oct 19, 2013 2:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- upgrade to Fox Theatre '72 recording

I've heard various versions of the story over the years, but as a native St Louisan, the variation I've heard the most is that actually they "wanted to buy" the Kiel Auditorium, not the Fox. Both venues have/had amazing history, the Fox is a really beautiful place and the Dead played some very fine shows there from 1970-1972.

But what I don't know is why the Dead stopped playing there after this run in 72, opting instead for the Kiel during the Fall 73 tour. Or why we didn't see another show here until May of 77 (at the now-demolished St Louis Arena, the old hockey rink). Stl regularly saw a couple gigs a year from May 1968 through 1973, then stops here mysteriously dropped off dramatically before ending their career here in 1995 at that despicable place then known as Riverport Amphitheatre. I wasn't quite old enough to have been there in the 60's and 70's, but I have a few friends who attended all those early shows here in the 60's and 70's (though oddly I have yet to meet anyone who was at the infamous 5/14/70 show here at Washington University, or if I have I just don't know it). They were life-changing and really helped build an under-the-radar yet hardcore following in St Louis, which is why I never got the drop off in shows here.

Anyway, The Fox was on it's last leg at the time and closed in 1978, not to be reopened until like 82, so that may account for some of that, or perhaps just issues with local promoters. I believe Garcia had a solo gig scheduled at the Fox in 86 but it got cancelled when he had the coma. Other than that, though, to my knowledge the Dead nor any affiliates ever played the Fox again for 29 years, until the PLQ played on November 9, 2001 (the night Ken Kesey died). I had 5th row seats for that one, thanks to GDTS. After the show, Phil remarked "Why did we EVER stop playing this theater?" Perhaps it's notable that he didn't mention wanting to buy it at one point, either.

I think I could have believed the rumors about their interest in whichever St Louis venue in the early and mid 1970's, the band always has had a strange relationship with St. Louis. But by the end of the 70's it just doesn't seem likely, especially considering they'd outgrown theaters like that in favor of the hockey rinks and sheds.

Either way, yeah, whew, what a show (10/18). Thanks for the anniversary reminder! Same goes for the 19th.

This post was modified by Jim F on 2013-10-19 09:17:54

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 19, 2013 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- upgrade to Fox Theatre '72 recording

Great post. Their history playing St. Louis- what a puzzle.

Couldn't it just be that they outgrew the Fox and Keil, and there wasn't a suitable option beyond that for awhile? They didn't play NYC (Manhattan) either between March of '72 and '77 -the same span!- opting instead for other nearby venues: Nassau, Roosevelt Stadium, etc.
Sometimes too I think it comes down to relationships between promoters and venue personnel, ie people think it's all about the band's relationship to a city when sometimes it has to do with neither.

A note about Phil when he waxes historic at the mike during shows now: take it for what it's worth. When Further played Coney Island in '07 or thereabouts he proclaimed to the adoring crowd: 'We finally made it to Brooklyn!,' forgetting the Dead played there in '70. He likes the idea that he's the band member who isn't burnt out and can remember things, but I'm not so sure. This is the guy who gave like three pages to the '71'-'74 era in his memoir. Man if that era wasn't ripe for examination and recollection.....

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Poster: Jim F Date: Oct 20, 2013 1:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- upgrade to Fox Theatre '72 recording

Haha obviously a good point, I'm not naive enough to believe every artist who says things like "this is the best crowd we've ever played for!" Hello Cleveland!

I actually have a friend who works with the deaf and often signs the lyrics on the side of the stage for the "Deaf Heads" at DSO shows and whatnot. Through that she wound up getting her dream job and got to tour with Furthur and do some NYE shows signing the words and music, routinely getting to dine with the guys and things like that. If I had one question I should have pestered her to ask Bob and Phil, it should have been about their interest in the Fox and or Kiel. But with Furthur pretty much done now guess I'll never get that opportunity.

As for gaps in appearances in town, most of it is pretty explainable. The very limited WOSound touring of 74 just wouldn't have worked here, and being such a limited tour Chicago must have been considered the choice midwest spot of the tour. In 76 they did play a lot of theaters, almost exclusively, but aside from Chicago again, only on the coasts, really. At one time actually when the Fox was built in the 1920's I believe it was the largest or second largest movie theater in the country, I think the capacity is a little over 5000, I could have seen them playing there in 76 had they came through town. We finally got shows here in 77 and 79, 1977 at the hockey rink, capacity of around 18,000, 1979 back again at the Kiel, capacity half that at around 9000. I can't think offhand but we didn't get very many shows here in the 1980's at all. Not even that many in the 90's, either.

Oddly after Jerry died we became a regular stop for the various solo projects and whatnot (including Furthur Festivals 96, 97, and 98) and we have a really strong deadhead following, mostly due to our cover band scene that over the years has produced both drummers from DSO, Melvin's currently incarcerated bass player Jimmy Tebeau, as well as Bobby and Ratdog's longtime relationship with local icon Johnnie Johnson (RIP)of Chuck Berry fame (aside: I live very near from where the restaurant was that Chuck Berry owned and put the hidden cameras in the women's bathrooms. Again, St. Louis has fascinating music history). TC and Melvin were just here with Terrapin Flyer at a tiny club the other night, actually. Maybe 100 people there, we're amazingly lucky to get those guys here in such tiny clubs. Last Summer I got to sit on the edge of the stage at the same venue while TC and friends belted out Doin That Rag>Mtns of the Moon>Dark Star>St Stephen>The Eleven>Caution Jam>NFA>GDTRFB.

Also when Jerry first began tinkering around with the pedal steel in 69 we played a part in that. When the band came through St. Louis Jerry often stopped by a local music store where I believe he purchased one in 1969. I might be wrong on that, but I know he played one there. A local musician/producer found a reel there a few years back and circulated a great in-store session Jerry and Bob did with some of the New Riders. On the note of discovering lost recordings, how great was it that they found the full show from the Fox on 2/2/70? Being a local I always wanted to know what was missing. I knew people who attended but any memories of a setlist from them was a pipe dream.

Final Fun Fact: St Louis saw both the first and last Iko, whatever that's worth.

Anyway, Furthur complicating things is that the Kiel was actually two venues, the Kiel Auditorium and the Kiel Opera House, both of which the dead played (1969, 1970, 1973, and 1979). It was two rooms sectioned off that could be opened to make one giant room. They since tore half of it down and built the arena where the Blues hockey team plays, and attached to the back of that building is the newly revamped "Peabody Opera House," essentially a new version of the old Kiel Opera House, if that makes any sense. Even I don't understand it fully.

Sorry for the rambling, the point is, this run is amazing (though the lack of jamming on the 17th bores me) and needs to be played at least once a year.